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September 22nd, 2009

Collaborations often emerge from relatively separate artistic communities who, while their policed borders discipline their form and concentrate their fields of energy, thrive when the authorities are given the day off. Under such circumstances smugglers from the different arts meet to exchange what they hope, or assert, are premium goods. Sometimes the meeting becomes a little rough, a little disorganised, or a little too enthusiastic: different merchandise spills into each other in the swap and a new contraband is formed.

I first worked with the artist Ronald King in the 1990s, first getting to know him on one of those days when the border guards had been told to go home early: a small press book fair on London’s South Bank. At these fairs there is typically a range of different arts represented: visual artists, conceptual artists, sound poets, academic poets, lyric poets, visual poets, performance artists, political activists, fine press experts, book artists, and so on. At that time I was co-running Vennel Press, which published early poetry collections by W. N. Herbert, David Kinloch, Elizabeth James, and Peter McCarey, and Southfields magazine, a cultural review. I had a stall at the book fair and so did Ronald King, who was representing his book arts publisher Circle Press.

During the course of the day we started to talk about our shared enthusiasms for the book as a visual object. Once the fair had closed we took our discussion to the bar.

Ron, who has always worked with poets, collaborating with Roy Fisher over many decades, was receptive to an idea of an artist’s book that featured the white horses of the southern downlands. I had already written a single poem for it and imagined this poem as the entire text for the book. The fluency and ancient mystery of the Uffington white horse particularly fascinated us both and it seemed to anticipate Matisse’s jazz on a grand scale by millennia. I was also interested in the endurance of the shape of the horses over centuries, generations of care from their neighbouring communities sustaining these beautiful figures on the land.

The poem just didn’t work for Ron and he very gently declined it. He didn’t say why and I was swallowing my pride too much to probe. I am not sure if it was the poem as such or if it was that he just couldn’t find a way of reacting to it within his own form. Looking back, I think the poem, which works across the whole of a single page’s white-space and collages different kinds of literary register within that page, was actually doing too much spatial and typographical work for Ron to manoeuvre around and through. In a way it was asking Ron to be a printer not an artist and that should never have been the deal. I think this is important about collaboration, so important it’s a cliché – that each has to move towards each other and gain in the collaboration by, if necessary, appearing to ‘lose’ within ones own form.

What happened next was that really the horse itself grabbed me. Unusually for me, I couldn’t sleep: I kept hearing a kind of ghost beast running the hills and that imaginary stallion’s rhythm became the start of a strongly stressed poem that was not pictorial or typographical but a poem of movement. No doubt this was a romantic trope borrowed from tales of Ted Hughes’s thought-fox experience but the pulse seemed real enough to me.

This new text proved to be the catalyst. Ron conceived the book as a series of openings in which a single horse figure would move from standstill at the beginning of the book to gallop by the end. Using blind embossing, in which uninked metal is pressed on to dampened paper to produce an indented form (uplifted on the next page), he began to plan what eventually became a kind of slow motion flicker book that was extremely tactile. By using the centre of each opening to bisect the horse, Ron was able to ‘move’ the horse from zero to its greatest speed. It was fascinating to see that Ron avoided in any way copying the Uffington horse: in the course of the collaboration we had exchanged several images of it and it was certainly the horse we had in mind but Ron’s is taller, more slender, and at times more gentle (I think there are comic effects, too). I guess Ron had also been collaborating with the artists of the Uffington horse in a way – allowing those ancients their own space as well. Finally, Karen Bleitz, who years later I worked with on laser-cut books, typeset the poem in a clean looking sans serif font. Together, finally, after a serious false start, gift horse was made.

Richard Price’s Rays is published by Carcanet. He recently collaborated with Luke Kennard for a Likestarlings conversation, here. His website is www.hydrohotel.net. He is Head of Modern British Collections at the British Library.

September 15th, 2009

In this week’s guest post, designer, illustrator, art director and curator Alex Bec answers a few questions about ‘If You Could’, and ‘It’s Nice That’, collaborative design projects devised by himself and Will Hudson, his partner-in-design. ‘If You Could’ pairs established and emerging designers to work together on a project of their choosing, and then publishes them in an extremely attractive book. This year’s project title is ‘If You Could Collaborate’, of course…

Tell us a bit about ‘If You Could’, if you would

If You Could started when Will and I were in the second year at Brighton University, and was initially a way to help raise funds for our final year degree show. The first question we asked was: “If you could do anything tomorrow, what would it be?” The project has grown from this question into lots of different incarnations and projects and we are now in our fourth year.

What’s happening for this year’s project?

This year we’re asking 40 artists who they’d like to collaborate with on a project. They don’t necessarily have to be creative  – it’s acting more as an excuse for artists that we admire to work with others with whom they’d like to create something. Who they choose to work with, and what they choose to make is entirely up to them – we curate the show according to their pieces and their wishes. It’s all about facilitating exciting pieces of work from practitioners we admire, with no hidden agendas.

If you could pair any two people, who would it be?

Alex: I’ve always love David Shrigley and would love to see him make a piece of furniture, or a product – so I’ll go for a Shrigley with the quick wittedness of Martino Gamper.

Will: I think the idea of any two creatives at the top of their game coming together to create original work is exciting. I like the idea they are being pushed slightly outside of their comfort zone and there’s potential to see work they otherwise wouldn’t have produced.

How do you think the designers and illustrators benefit from this kind of collaboration?

Well they get to do something that they want to – so the benefits of that are easy to see. Any break from commercial work that facilitates experimentation in someone’s everyday practice can only be a good thing. Especially when they are as talented as they are.

What was the best possible outcome you could imagine when you first thought of doing this?

That it would happen and as many people as possible would see it and gleam something from it.

Please tell us a bit about It’s Nice That

It’s primarily an online resource of creative things we’ve seen but we also branch out into the offline. It’s Nice That is a way of us being able to provide worthy primary content to an audience that we respect.

Will, tell us about Alex / Alex, tell us about Will

Will: Alex does all the things I can’t do.

Alex: Will does all the things I can’t do.

There are a number of things neither of us know how to do, so we find people who can.

What different roles do you bring to your work?

It depends project on project, but in general I guess I do a lot more of the management and organisation, and Will does the design and finishing. The idea and direction is always driven by the both of us and to be honest we cross over quite a bit, and every decision is spoken about, so it’s not really too important what either of us do individually – it’s more about a final outcome.

How does the fact that you’re designers yourselves affect the curatorial work and commissioning you do? Does the fact that you curate and commission affect your own design work? Is there much overlap, and where, and how?

I think any background knowledge in the area you choose to make your living is a good idea. So I see our background as designers as the reason we became interested in what we do. We are very much still designers, whether we are commissioning, curating or working on commercial projects – it’s irrelevant what stamp you put on it.

We have an appreciation and respect for the talented people around us, and that’s the most important thing.

http://www.itsnicethat.com/

http://www.ifyoucould.co.uk/

July 30th, 2009

A slight tangent to my last post: I saw the ICA exhibition Poor. Old. Tired. Horse. last week which reintroduced me to the Concrete Poetry movement in which its practitioners used the visual manifestation of the words to equal effect as the conventional elements of the poem. [Editor Dave also points out to me the correct term for shaped poems is technopaegnia with the most famous example here]. Some of the works such as Sea Poppy 1 by Ian Hamilton Finlay have been painted directly on to the gallery wall.

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© Ian Hamilton Finlay

Whilst there are obvious connections to be made in the way in which images have historically (both conventionally and radically) been layed out on pages, my thoughts turned towards the way in which a sequence of images is hung on the wall, in particular Paul Graham’s installation at the Deutsche Boerse Prize at the Photographers Gallery this year. Graham’s works in the show, an excerpt from his 12 book series a shimmer of possibility (2007), rise and fall on the gallery wall in a collection of fleeting verses which force you to move in an out from the wall, and even stoop to see some of the lowest pictures. Images seemingly repeated – but actually incrementally different – also have considerable effect in the reading of the whole work. Graham specifically cites a literary reference for a shimmer of possibilty,  Chekov’s short stories, and though not specifically poetry it’s still a good case point in which to consider the other devices at play when presenting both photographs and poems.

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© Paul Graham


July 27th, 2009

An investigation, showcase and celebration of collaborative working practice in the arts. For the first week, students from Chelsea College of Art installed the window. Audiences participated by telephoning a telephone number dangled opposite the window, which set the installation in motion.

Installation Week Two by students from London College of Fashion, ‘Read the directions and directly you will be pointed in the right direction’, is up now. Website here. Real life here. We’ll be keeping up with the collaborative installation-in-installments over the next few weeks.

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‘I think computers have something to do with it’, says co-curator Joe Coppard of Pat and Trevor

July 22nd, 2009

Likestarlings’ Oliver Smith causes confabulation of collaboration with our friend Murdofleur. See the post-cards he exchanged with Dorothy Feaver on the subject of cliché, here.